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Qui prendra la relève ? Je n'ai abouti à rien en 2013 !

A quel service dois-je m'adresser pour obtenir la révision d'une classification concernant le chat de Van. Il figure actuellement sous la mention "chat turc de Van"? Or ce chat n'est turc ni de loin, ni de près?

Son origine très ancienne , avant même que n'existe la Turquie, se trouve dur le plateau arménien, près du Lac de Van (Arménie historique).
Même si ce territoire est actuellement occupé par la turquie, cela ne doit en aucun cas interférer sur l'origine du chat.
Nous ne demandons pas que l'appellation soit "chat arménien de Van", mais au moins "Chat de Van". L'origine parlera d'elle-même.
Quelles démarches faut-il faire, de quels justificatifs avez-vous besoin, pour obtenir la rectification d'un état de fait qui n'a que trop duré. La Turquie s'approprie sans vergogne le patrimoine qui n'est pas le sien, forte de l'ignorance ou du peu de curiosité des services ou des instances qui en décident.
Il est bon aussi que vous sachiez qu'il y a peu (2001), les turcs avaient décidé de tuer la race ... et avaient commencé l'exécution de leur projet - une action abominable que les arméniens ne pourraient jamais imaginer - jusqu'au moment où ils comprirent l'intérêt qu'il y aurait à la maintenir...
Merci de votre aide, nous ne souhaitons que le rétablissement d'un fait trop longtemps occulté.
Dans l'espoir de vous lire,
Cordialement,

Dzovinar Melkonian
Association arménienne des Deux-Catalognes
Perpignan

Ci-dessous la référence actuelle du Chat de Van
63 Turkish van TUV


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WCF et la Fédération australienne de chat 

Présidente

Anneliese Hackmann 

Geisbergstr. 2

D-45139 Essen

L'Allemagne

Tél.:      +49-(0)-201-555 724

Fax:      +49-(0)-201-552 747

email:  wcf@wcf-online.de

Sehr geehrte Frau Präsidentin, Sehr geehrte Herr Präsident,

Welcher Instanz müsste ich hinwenden, um die Revision der  Klassifizierung der Van-Katze zu erlangen ?

Sie wird im Moment als « türkische Van-Katze » definiert.

Dabei ist diese Katze keineswegs türkisch.

Ihr Ursprung befindet sich auf der anatolischen Hochebene, in der Nähe des Van-Sees, im historischen Armenien, in einer Zeit, wo die Türkei noch nich existierte. 

 Sogar wenn dieses Gebiet heute unter türkischen Verwaltung liegt, darf dies keineswegs die Herkunft der Katze beeinflussen.

Wir fordern nicht, dass sie « armenische Katze von Van » genannt wird, aber wenigstens « Van-Katze ». Die Herkunft wird für sich selbst sprechen.  

  Was müssen wir tun, welche Belege brauchen Sie, damit wir die Revision einer seit zu langer Zeit bestehenden Tatsache erhalten? Die Türkei  eignet sich eine Erbe , das ihr nicht gehört an, indem sie die Unwissenheit und die mangelnde Neugierde der zuständigen Behörden.

Sie müssensich auch bewusst sein,dass 2001 die Türkei versucht hat diese Katzenart auszurotten ! (...woran die Armenier nie gedacht hatten !) Sie hatte den Prozess in Gang gebracht, bis sie festgestellt hat, dass sie  sie besser überlebenlässt. 

Danke für Ihre Hilfe; wir wünschen nur die Anerkennung einer zu lange vergessenen Tatsache.

Mit der Hoffnung Ihrer Inachtnehmung,

Freundliche Grüße

Dzovinar Melkonian

Association Arménienne des Deux-Catalognes

Perpignan - Frankreich

Anbei die aktuelle Referenz der Van-Katze

63 Turkish van TUV

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Dear Mrs........................, Dear Mr ...................................

Which department should I contact for the revision of a classification about the Van cat?

It is currently listed under the designation "Turkish Van cat".

But this cat is not "turkish" at all.

Its origin is very ancient (long before Turkey even existed) on the Armenian plateau, near Lake Van, in historical Armenia.

Even if this territory is occupied by Turkey, this should in not interfere with the origin of the cat.

We are not asking for the name to be necessarily "Armenian Van cat", but at least "Van Cat". The origin speaks for itself.

Which steps should we follow, what evidence do you need for the rectification of a situation which has lasted too long already. Turkey shamelessly claims ownership of a heritage that is not its own, taking advantage of the ignorance or lack of curiosity of the departments in charge of these questions. 

You should also know that just a few years ago (2001), the Turks had decided to annihilate the race... and began the execution of their project - an abominable action Armenians could never imagine - until they realized the benefit they could have to keep it.

Thank you for your help, we want to restore a fact that has been hidden for too long.

Hoping to hear from you,

Sincerely,

Dzovinar Melkonian

Armenian Association of Two Catalonias

Perpignan

Below the current reference of the Van cat

63 Turkish van TUV

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Mail de :

lbowers @ ti ca.org  (lbowers@tica.org)

Dear Mrs. Dzovinar,

We did receive your first email concerning the Van Cat.  I sent you email addresses for the Genetics Committee and the Turkish Van Breed committee which can be found on the web at http://www.tica.org/public/breeds/tv/committee.php.  These would be the people to contact with your issues.

Genetics Committee

Chair:  Solveig Pflueger, geneticats@aol.com

Members:

Adriana Kajon, akajon@spinn.net

Massimo Picardello, picard@axp.mat.uniroma2.it

Heather E. Lorimer, dr.lorimer@gmail.com

Heather Roberts, chaparralsingapuras@yahoo.com

Ellen Crockett, vicrock@cris.com

Nancy Parkinson, pzazz@austin.rr.com

Sincerely,

Leslie Bowers

Business Manager

lbowers@tica.org

Phone:  956/428-8046

Fax:  956/428-8047

Wherever you are, you're in TICA's world!

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"Turkish Van cat".‏

Actions

Chris Lowe (chris.lowe@farmside.co.nz)

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30/09/2013

À : Dzovinar Melkonian

Hello Dzovinar - thank you for your communication - I have referred this matter onto our Portfolio Manager who deals with Breed Standards for discussion with the Council.  I will contact you when I have received a response.

Thank you

Chris M Lowe (Mrs)

Executive Council Secretary

43 Walker Road West RD 2 Katikati 3178

email: secretary@nzcf.com

Ph: 07 5492752

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Dzovinar Melkonian

21/09/2013

À : secretary@nzcf.com

Dear Madam, Dear Sir,

Which department should I contact for the revision of a classification about the Van cat?

It is currently listed under the designation "Turkish Van cat".

But this cat is not "turkish" at all.

Its origin is very ancient (long before Turkey even existed) on the Armenian plateau, near Lake Van, in historical Armenia.

Even if this territory is occupied by Turkey, this should in not interfere with the origin of the cat.

We are not asking for the name to be necessarily "Armenian Van cat", but at least "Van Cat". The origin speaks for itself.

Which steps should we follow, what evidence do you need for the rectification of a situation which has lasted too long already. Turkey shamelessly claims ownership of a heritage that is not its own, taking advantage of the ignorance or lack of curiosity of the departments in charge of these questions. 

You should also know that just a few years ago (2001), the Turks had decided to annihilate the race... and began the execution of their project - an abominable action Armenians could never imagine - until they realized the benefit they could have to keep it.

Thank you for your help, we want to restore a fact that has been hidden for too long.

Hoping to hear from you,

Sincerely,

(Mrs) Dzovinar Melkonian

Armenian Association of Two Catalonias

Perpignan - France

Below the current reference of the Van cat

63 Turkish van TUV

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À : Dzovinar Melkonian

Hello Dzovinar - thank you for your communication - I have referred this matter onto our Portfolio Manager who deals with Breed Standards for discussion with the Council.  I will contact you when I have received a response.

Thank you

Chris M Lowe (Mrs)

Executive Council Secretary

43 Walker Road West RD 2 Katikati 3178

email: secretary@nzcf.com

Ph: 07 5492752

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NSW CFA - Office@nswcfa.asn.au

A: «Dzovinar Melkonian '

Salut Mme Dzovinar,

Désolé - Oui, votre e-mail a été reçu et sera lu lors de notre réunion du comité de gestion qui se tiendra le 8 ème d'Octobre 2013.

Cordialement

Cheryl Dourish

Administrateur

: general-secretary@fifeweb.org

Cc : robert.lubrano@orange.fr

Honorable Mr. Reijers,

We would like to pay to your attention this demand concerning the “Cat of Van” which is actually enlisted in your nomenclature as “Turkish Van Cat”.

We don’t underestimate the complications that this demand may make troubles to you but we do hope to share a point of view with you, dictated by importance much more than symbolic that’s for us the modification of this name: it would be only justice to merely modify the name “Turkish cat” to “Van Cat”.

In fact, the oldest origin of this cat dates back  to hundreds even thousands centuries. It dates to the period when the Region of Van was part of Historic Armenia and that Turkey didn’t exist yet.

To add the word “turkish” to this cat’s name is a mistake, at the same time a suffering for us as we are humiliated because of forgotten existence, here also. The Region of Van is actually occupied by Turkey but this shouldn’t influence the origin of the cat.

If your important organization would like to give an impulsion by modifying its’ name others would follow your example which would let by justified humanistic act the recognition of reality, hidden to date.

We do hope to attract your attention and convince you.

Please accept, honorable Mr. Eric Reijers, the assurances of my highest consideration.

Dzovinar Melkonian,

Association des Deux-Catalognes Perpignan, France

relance 19/11

Dear Mr Reijers,

You have not answered my mail 29/10/2013 

It is very important for us to receive notice or advice.

Thank you in advance

Best regards

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relance et lettre :

Dear Mr Andreas Möbius,

You have not answered my mail 30/10/2013 

It is very important for us to receive notice or advice.

Thank you in advance

Best regards

Mrs Dzovinar Melkonian

Association Arménienne des Deux-Catalognes (France)

Dzovinar Melkonian

30/10/2013

Honorable Mr. Andreas Möbius, We would like to pay to your attention this de

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Même lettre + relance à :

 cfa@cfa.org

Dear President,

You have not answered my mail 30/10/2013 

It is very important for us to receive notice or advice.

Thank you in advance

Best regards

Mrs Dzovinar Melkonian

Association Arménienne des Deux-Catalognes (France)

Fr

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même lettre et même relance à :

: inquiries@tica.org

Mr Secretary general,

You have not answered my mail 30/10/2013 

It is very important for us to receive notice or advice.

Thank you in advance

Best regards

Mrs Dzovinar Melkonian

Association Arménienne des Deux-Catalognes (France)

leur réponse  du 20 novembre :

Ibowers@ti​ca.org (lbowers@tica.org)

À : helene.melkonian@hotmail.fr

Cc : NYCSA@aol.com

Mrs. Dzovinar Melkonian,

The Turkish Van is a longhaired breed of domestic cat with genetic origins in modern Turkey.  In TICA, you would need to have the Breed Committee Chair propose this change and then the Breed Section Members would vote on the change and then the Board of Directors would have to approve the change.  For information on our breed committees and our rules, please see our website at tica.org.

Sincerely,

Leslie Bowers

Business Manager

lbowers@tica.org

ma réponse du 21 novembre

Dear Mrs   Leslie  Bowers

Thank you for your email.

Can you tell us that we need to write?

Committees Tica : Lisa Dickie

 or

Genetics Committee : Solveig Pflueger

  or someone else?

Help us, please. thank you very much.

 Best regards

Mrs Dzovinar Melkonian

sa réponse :

I would write to Solveig Pflueger, Genetics Chair,  with a copy to the Turkish Van Committee members:

Chair: ERICA TADAJEWSKI

dragon8819@yahoo.com

BARBARA LINDSEY

kayserai@yahoo.com

CATHERINE CLAUCHERTY

talloaksfarmsheep@yahoo.com

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envoyé le 22 novembre

Dear Mrs Solveig Pflueger

We would like to pay to your attention this demand concerning the “Cat of Van” which is actually enlisted in your nomenclature as “Turkish Van Cat”.

We don’t underestimate the complications that this demand may make troubles to you but we do hope to share a point of view with you, dictated by importance much more than symbolic that’s for us the modification of this name: it would be only justice to merely modify the name “Turkish cat” to “Van Cat”.

In fact, the oldest origin of this cat dates back  to hundreds even thousand